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Vindicating Steady-State Cardio

A few weeks ago over at Precision Nutrition, a couple of hacks named "John Berardi" and "Alwyn Cosgrove" put together an impromtu study of about 60 exercisers; their intention was to compare the weight-loss/performace-enhancement effects achievable through three different training protocols:  strength training plus steady-state cardio; strength training plus sprint intervals, and strength training plus suspension training ("TRX") circuits.

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(No fat on this cat.) 

 

The strength-training routine performed by all three groups was the same:  twice a week, full-body workouts consisting of the heavy-hitter moves dones in the strength/hypertrophy rep range.  Standard-issue, road-tested, and effective.  The conditioning workouts varied, however:  two additional days a week, one group did steady-state cardio, another did sprints, another more TRX work.  You can read about their results here.

Subjects were tested at the beginning and again at the end of the study in a maximum push-up test, an inverted row, test, a standing broad jump test, and the V-max, and T-max tests on a treadmill, both indicators of aerobic and anaerobic fitness. Their weight was also recorded.

At the end of the study there was very little difference among the three groups in the tests of strength and power (push-ups, inverted rows, and standing broad jump).  The steady-state cardio group, however, had a significant edge on the T-max test (which is performed on a treadmill and described at the link above), and the TRX group had a big edge on the 'attrition' category:  something like 80% of the steady-staters weren't steady enough, and 55% of the sprinters turned tail and ran, but only 35% of the TRX'ers suspended their involvment, so to speak.

One clear--perhaps unintended--lesson is that no one wants to do steady-state cardio, and that, conversely, people like working on the suspension trainer.  That might not seem important, but there's something to be said for that:  I mean, anyone can lose weight by doing hard labor all day and eating nothing but cranberries for six weeks, but the program will suck so much that you won't want to do it, and you'll drop out.  So it's no small thing to find a system that a majority of people will stick with, and Berardi is right to point that out.

If you'd asked me eight weeks ago how these results would shake out, though, I probably would have wagered that the TRX folks would improve the most on the body-weight training tests, the sprinters would do the best on the tests of aerobic and anaerobic fitness, and the steady-staters would have little improvement across the board due to the "interference effect" of adding steady-state cardio to strength training.  

So I'm surprised that the TRX folks DIDN'T get better push-up, inverted row, and broad jump results over the eight weeks, even though they were doing much more body-weight style training than the other groups; I'm surprised that the sprinters didn't do the best on the V- and T-tests, and I'm surprised that the steady-staters not only kept pace with the other groups in all the performance indicators, but bested the other groups by a slight (statistically insignificant, but extant) margin across the board and by a truly significant margin on the T-test. 

Perhaps there's a limit to how fast one can get stronger and more powerful, and that two full-body training sessions per week just about does it for most people, so the addition of more body-weight style training sessions didn't ultimately contribute to improved performance.  

Finally, though--to keep with this week's theme of Don't Give Up on Old Ideas, the stud suggests that perhaps we've been too hard on that old standby, steady-state cardio.  Most people agree that it's boring and uninteresting, but seeing these study results, we've pretty much all got to admit that, as much as we're loathe to admit it, if you can stomach it, it's still effective.

 

 

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I like the steady state. Helps since my running goals involve distance.

Here’s the sick sick part. I run around a block in my neighborhood. It’s .4 miles around. Last sunday I ran for 65 minutes, this Sunday it will be 70 minutes. I don’t listen to music while I run. I simply run and breathe.

I’m considering a park for doing my 1/2 marathon training. First long run is 8 miles. That would be 20 laps in the neighborhood. Not sure I could stand it. Bet I can though.

by OneMadFFB on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with LD work...

As a sometime triathlete, I get the draw. I also don’t do music either. Having one’s favorite loops is great, but branching out IS possible and also enjoyable. I say that as an inveterate same-router myself.

by Andrew Heffernan on Jun 12, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My interpretation

4 out of 5 people think steady state cardio (walking on a treadmill for 30 minutes @65% max heart rate) sucks. I think I agree with the majority.

by ectonoob on Jun 11, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

…and THAT, more than anything may be responsible for all the anti-steady-state stuff in the last few years. It can be boring and it’s hard to do and maintain. But clearly it’s NOT, as some have suggested, ineffective, or even less effective than other methods for fat loss and improving performance.

by Andrew Heffernan on Jun 12, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more group should have been added...

I wish that they had another group that simply lifted twice per week with no cardio of any kind on the other days. I would be curious how they would have compared with the other groups.

I have been doing full-body weight training sessions with short (60 sec-90 sec) rests between sets and I believe these workouts improve my cardio. I have enjoyed reading your blog posts that indicate a blurring of the distinction between strength training and cardio.

by Marc1000 on Jun 12, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad you like those posts.

I think it’s where it’s all heading, or one possible landing place.

by Andrew Heffernan on Jun 12, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Observe

That the strength training in the JB study was pretty much interval work - whole body, low rest… So, the study does not really say anything about steady state standing alone.
I am older and do what for me are very intense strength sessions at a very quick pace. I measure my heratrate in both strength and interval. How do you count Kettleball exercise? It’s the quickest easisest way for me to get my herat rate above 100% of theoretical max.
In strngth sessions, I’ve averaged HR of 84% of theoretical max; in intervals my averages have been as low as 78%…so, some strngth training is clearly also interval training if programmed that way.
Oh yeah, heartrate also way way up on deadlifts…

by siliconwarrior on Jun 14, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting

if im not mistaken, many pts out there claim that interval training is more or equally effective than/as steady state cardio training. their main argument against the “old training” style is time – nobody could afford nowadays to do weight training and a long steady state cardio session. however, if 30 minutes of interval training is only as effective as 30 minutes of steady state cardio training i ask myself if the argument (interval training, less time, equally effective) is still valid? another point which would be interesting from my perspective: injuries. i would like to know which kind of training is more likely to cause injuries. best, ttc

by tthecat on Jun 15, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steady State

Is as much mental conditioning as physical. When I was rowing, 3X10K on the rowing machine or 2X1 hours HR~160 were common practices. One has to build up to those distances mentally as much as physically. As with any other exercise, it should never get easier, you get faster (stronger)

There were things that helped get you through it:

Coaching: not just having someone there to yell at you, even having a mirror so you can analyze your technique, make changes, think about the way those changes feel, and ingrain them into muscle memory is an effective way to pass the time.

Feedback: Rather than looking at the clock, consider heart rate. Pick a target and stay there. The rowing machine was nice because it gave honest feedback each stroke. Watts and split were the most helpful. Pick a number that meets your goals and focus on it.

(dont trust the feedback on most gym cross training equipment. My friend who owns the gym I train at told me he can toggle the settings as he sees fit, making the calories burned and other settings useless)

Competition: Most people do better with a little push. Having a friend with you keeps you honest. Things like leapfrog breaks up distances

Compartmentalize: Big distances seem overwhelming. With a 10K the end seems out of sight. However, a 1K is not that far and quite easy at 10K pace. Break it up into 10 back to back 1Ks.

Steady state training benefits athletes in training your heart and cardiovascular system. I doubt it would be much help to explosive exercises like the broad jump but does have its place in sports. When I was rowing, I had a resting HR around 40. When I finished and started getting into other sports, I realized I dont get winded like normal people anymore. My HR stays low, even when boxing, I can go more rounds than anyone in the gym. This is a huge advantage in that you can get more out of other aspects of your training without shortness of breath and oxygen deprivation slowing you down.

by ryanwk628 on Jun 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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