How Much Should I Lift?
Dear Andrew. I work out with weights twice a week doing full body workouts (I also do a martial art/combative sport twice a week). I feel great and love the way I look. During my weights workout, which is by myself, I do the following:
push ups
crunches
bench press
front squat
overhead press
lunges
curls
dips
with some variations. I am not lifting very heavy. Should I be? I get a lot of my info on lifts from EXRX and such - should I be trying to meet the strength standards described there?Sincerely, Middle Aged Garage Lifter
Hey MAGL: Thanks for writing! First, let me congratulate you on being one of two or perhaps three people on the continent who actually says "I feel great and love the way I look" without qualification. Rather than dive immediately into responding to your question, I'm going to focus on that statement for a moment and point a couple of things out to everyone else--myself included--who spend all our time bemoaning our physical shortcomings.
As everyone who reads MPF knows, I'm obsessed with fitness: how to get stronger, build bigger muscles, and get leaner, yes, but also to feel better, move easier and better and more fluidly. And as such, I frankly spend most of my time focusing on the ways my own 38-year-old body doesn't work well. What are my shortcomings and how can I overcomes them? How can this or that workout protocol make it better? This probably makes for good problem-solving in the gym, but not such a great personal self-image.
I complain about being sore, not being able to recover from injuries or workouts as I did in my 20's, about lacking mobility here or there, and lacking beast-like strength and athletic grace pretty much everywhere, but I also have to admit that for a guy with a multiple jobs, kids, and responsibilities, for a non-pro and a guy who can't dedicate 20 hours a week to exercise and diet-planning, I look and feel...pretty good.
I use myself as an example here because a lot of us who aren't obese, who don't have major limitations or health issues, still seem to talk about ourselves and our bodies as if we do. "I'm fat," says the woman who wears a size 8. "I'm weak," says the guy who squats 350. "I'm slow," says the guy who runs a 5.2 40-yard dash.
You want to see fat, weak, and slow, go to the mall sometime and have yourself a good look around at what passes for average in this country. Or swing by a retirement home and check out those bodies. Newsflash, Mr. and Ms. Athletic Body 2010, we're all going to wind up in bodies like that someday, wishing for, nay, pining for our size-8 wearing, 350-squatting, 5.2-dashing days. So, as the song goes, enjoy yourself--it's later than you think.
This may be an LA thing, but the point is that I just don't hear statements like MAGL's very often. So he's to be commended on that.
Anyway: as for MAGL's actual question: should he be shooting for strength standards prescribed by EXRX?
I looked into them--you can too via the link above--and saw that their standards were high, but, I think, realistic. Here's their chart for recreational weightlifters on the bench press:
| Body Weight | Un-trained | Novice | Intermediate | Advanced | Elite |
| 114 | 84 | 107 | 130 | 179 | 222 |
| 123 | 91 | 116 | 142 | 194 | 242 |
| 132 | 98 | 125 | 153 | 208 | 260 |
| 148 | 109 | 140 | 172 | 234 | 291 |
| 165 | 119 | 152 | 187 | 255 | 319 |
| 181 | 128 | 164 | 201 | 275 | 343 |
| 198 | 135 | 173 | 213 | 289 | 362 |
| 220 | 142 | 183 | 225 | 306 | 381 |
| 242 | 149 | 190 | 232 | 316 | 395 |
| 275 | 153 | 196 | 239 | 325 | 407 |
| 319 | 156 | 199 | 244 | 333 | 416 |
| 320+ | 159 | 204 | 248 | 340 | 425 |
Chucking myself blithely under the bus here, I can bench press a whopping 230 pounds at a body weight of about 183 or so. That puts me between an intermediate and an advanced lifter by these standards, which I would say is about accurate. Although I've been lifting since 1987 or so, it's long been apparent to me that, though I'm not a weakling, my potential for building massive strength is fairly limited compared to a lot of guys.
I'm okay with that. And so this chart seems about right: I'm ahead of some guys and well behind some others in raw strength. Given what I see in the gym, that feels accurate. Ditto for their standards on the squat, press, clean, and deadlift.
However, circling back to MAGL's question: "should" a person work towards these standards? I suppose it depends on their goals. If I worked my way up to a 280 pounds bench press over the next year, to catapault me into the 'advanced' column, would I be healthier than I am now?
Probably not. In fact, given what may very well happen to my shoulders in that time period, or how my cardio, mobility and flexibility work would probably have to suffer as I became a big-weight specialist, I may get unhealthier. So by 'health' standards, I'd say absolutely not.
I'd get stronger, of course, and I may become marginally more athletic in an explosive-strength kind of way. From personal experience, however, I would also probably be more vulnerable to injury.
To make those numbers I'd have to eat more and more often, gulp down more supplements, get more sleep than I do and spend as little time as possible moving outside of the gym. None of those are very likely or very appealing at this point, so the bottom line is that I'm unlikely to be making these particular numbers any time soon.
MAGL, you're a martial artist and a twice-a-week lifter. You like your workout regimen. You feel good about the way your body looks and feels already. If you really, really want to get bigger and stronger and are willing to put in the kind of time and effort such an endeavor requires--these numbers are as good a place to start as anywhere else. But if not, I'd suggest not letting a chart of what you "should" be lifting dictate the way you feel about your body.
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I see a push/pull inbalance in that workout…4 push exercises (pushups, bench, overhead press, dips) and 0 pull exercises (curls don’t count). I would suggest dropping 2 of the push and adding 2 pulls…possibly chinups/pullups and rows in their place, and also adding something that hits the hamstrings (deads or good mornings).
dito.
A couple pull exercises and this looks like a great full body workout. Maybe add some burpies and side planks for the core?
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Well spotted...
I got off on a tangent about desirable strength levels and didn’t look closely at his actual exercise choices! You’re both right—he needs to add some rows and chin-ups. Some form of deadlifting—even Romanian, single-leg, or Bulgarian Split Deadlifts would be a good choice, too, perhaps to alternate with the front squat.
I’d also add, for probably about the billionth time in this space, that I’m not a huge fan of crunches. I’d go with plank variations like toe touchdowns and Renegade Rows. The tight rotation is a great one for striking athletes too.
by Andrew Heffernan on Apr 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I am MAGL!
First off, thank you for the exercise suggestions – looking into pull exercises now!
Andrew, great post, extremely helpful for me. I think what really put it into context is to ask yourself “am I okay being between a beginner and a novice?” If I’m meeting my other goals – primarily consistency and performance in my sport – then the answer is yes. I can always push myself a bit more but lowering this on the priority goal is okay.
Was also wondering if a guy that only lifts twice a week can much improve the amount he can lift? But that’s another question! Seems to me the 3 or more a week lifters are the guys that can put up bigger numbers.
Like my nephew that’s in the 200+ club and has a six pack. Little shit!
2x/week lifters
I train a few people twice a week; they, like you, have other athletic interests which they pursue on alternate days. In their case, 2x/week is close to optimal and has yielded good results.
by Andrew Heffernan on Apr 11, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
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