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Doing some research for an article at present on complexes, and as usual I'm getting really into them at the same time.

What's a complex? Two or more exercises, back to back (choose bang-for-your-buckers, no filler isolation moves!), done back to back for a set number of reps, sometimes timed, with the same resistance--bodyweight, barbell, dumbbell, kettlebell, your dog. Then you have a timed rest period; then you repeat ad vomitissumus. If you're using a barbell, you never put it down. If you're using a dumbbell, you never put it down. If you're using a kettlebell, that's right, you never put it down. At this moment, I'm still holding the barbell, dumbbell, and kettlebell I was using this morning. Very tough.

To clarify: I mean you never put it down till the set is over.

Cool thing about complexes: they can be virtually as easy or hard as you wish. You can grab a 45-pound bar (or less!) and do a complex consisting of three sets of five deadlifts and push presses, resting two minutes between efforts. Not that tough for you if you're in decent shape. Or you can load an Olympic bar with 25-pound plates do a complex consisting of six sets of eight reps each of

deadlifts

Romanian deadlifts

bent rows

power cleans

front squats

push presses

back squats

good mornings

...resting 30 seconds between sets, and barf your fool head off before you pass out with a stupid grin on your face. Believe me, Chuckles, 95 pounds for eight reps--tough but manageable in isolation, an Everest of a fitness challenge done in sequence--never felt so heavy (thanks to Alwyn Cosgrove, true to his rep as the creator of hurlicious workouts, for the above sequence!).

Complexes are part of the "New Wave" of hybrid training--part cardio, part strength, all rock-n-roll--which I think is really the way to go when what you're looking for is a body that's both athletic and looks great. You won't get huge on complexes--but then again, few people WANT to get huge. Virtually across the board, some people want to gain a LITTLE musce--EVERYONE wants to lose fat. And EVERYONE, unless you're certifiable--wants to feel better and have a body that works better. Complexes are a great way to do that. Robert Dos Remedios, who I interviewed for this article, said that you could "throw a blanket over 95% of the population's fitness goals and complexes would be beneficial for all of them."

Benefits: they're fast, they're tough, they're scalable, they're convenient, they're functional, they're masochistically fun, they'll build your cardio while preserving--and, assuming you work on the heavier, faster side, actually BUILD--your muscle mass. This is truly working out at its finest. Nothing civilized or low-key about it.

Drawback: if complexes are easy or manageable or comfortable or fun...you're not doing them right. You've set the bar too low for yourself. I tried Cosgrove's complex with just 65 pounds and peacocked around for a few minutes thinking I was tough because I didn't find the workout that tough. Then I jumped to 95 pounds and the cursing began. I couldn't hold onto the bar.

Throw some in at the beginning--as a pick-you-up warmup--or the end--as a kill-your-children finisher--of your workout, or do them as a standalone--maybe three, or even four complexes back to back, with a break in between. Just make sure you don't plan on doing much the next day--and keep a bucket handy.

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Spartacus workout

This reminds me of the Spartacus Workout in Men’s Health earlier this year, where you had 10 exercises and you did as many as you can (usually 15-20) in a minute, rested 10 seconds, and then went on to next exercise with 3 total sets and 2 minute rests between sets. I’m not sure if it would considered a complex or a circuit, but it was pretty brutal and I did it for a few months with definite cardiovascular improvements and some strength gain, and then moved on to Rippetoe’s Starting Strength. I like SS a lot, but I still like to throw in the old Spartacus workout occasionally because it really was taxing.

by big-al on Aug 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

gym jones

Twight has posted these dumbbell complexes in recent months:

DL
bent over row
hi-pull
FSPP (thruster)
pushup w/ 1 arm row (renegade row)
split jump

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hi-pull
bent over row
curl
upright row
shoulder press
FSPP

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hi-pull
b.o. row
hang clean
FSPP
OHS + SOTS Press combo (these are humbling; start with 10#)
renegade row

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Doing any of these 1 arm at a time changes them a lot.

I’ve been doing 1-arm DL, curl, SP while balancing on the opposite leg. Balance is good.

Image credit to astromets

by hotspur on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice options!

I wonder about the “curls” option, however, in complex #2? Work well for you as a break from the big-muscle stuff?

What’s an OHS + SOTS? Overhead squat plus——?

I saw the “Spartacus” article but never tried the workout. Glad you liked it. Since you have rest between sets, and you’re going for max reps in a minute (vs. a set # of reps) it’s probably more of a “circuit”, but we’re kind of into hairsplitting. Call them both “Certifiable Workouts”.

by Andrew Heffernan on Aug 17, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Sots Press

I don’t know whether it’s an acronym or some guy’s name. It’s a press while squatting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ClYQZq2GLk&feature=related

Image credit to astromets

by hotspur on Aug 20, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for explaining complexes.

That definitely sounds like a pukefest.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2010 2:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d done the Cosgrove complexes before, but never on a 30s interval. That’s a lot harder.

Man alive, got any other sources for that kind of routine?

"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box

by Knee high to a duck on Aug 19, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Check out...

Robert Dos Remedios’ book Cardio Strength Training. Lots of complexes and many other options for cardio/weights stuff that will totally crush you.

John Romaniello did a piece on Tmuscle about complexes not too long ago too.

by Andrew Heffernan on Aug 20, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will do, thanks!

"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box

by Knee high to a duck on Aug 21, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

complexes

I love these things. I do either 6 × 8 or 4 × 6:
deadlift
bent over row
clean pull
front squat
push press
back squat
good morning

or snatch, clean, push press, squat, good morning.

VERY satisfying.

Ever do Pyramids? 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2: incline bench, renegade rows, squats (no rest)
followed by: see-saw db press, cable pulldowns w/ v, rdls
and ending with snatches.

You need a partner or an audience.

by meganN on Aug 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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