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Beef Stew for the Meat Lover's Soul

Yesterday was Earth Day, an event I barely noticed because it happened to coincide with the Pennsylvania primary. I'm a big fan of the earth, in both its lowercase and uppercase permutations, and try to avoid screwing it up whenever possible.

The key word there is "possible." I'm not an all-or-nothing guy, which is why I'm not a vegan or a Ron Paul supporter. I like meat, and I don't want to return to the gold standard.

Earth Day and Election Day, unfortunately, tend to bring out the extremes in our species. Vegans tell us our meat eating is killing the planet, and political enthusiasts tell us the candidate they oppose will bring about the end of our republic as we know it. There's nothing in between, and whether we're talking about poultry or politics, the message is the same:

Repent, and ye shall be saved. Continue your life of sin, and ye shall damn us all to hell.

That brings me to Regina Wilshire, who writes a terrific blog called The Weight of the Evidence. Regina focuses on low-carb diets, and always manages to look beyond the headlines to find something interesting and incisive to add to the debate. Yesterday she outdid herself with this magnificent response to the anti-meat movement:

[I]s eating meat really an environmental problem? The answer really is a "yes" and "no."

Meat from livestock is an excellent source of complete protein, vitamins, minerals and fatty acids essential to human health.

The big problem isn't so much the meat, but the way we in the United States (and more and more countries around the world) raise livestock today -- intensive feedlot operations which demand huge amounts of "inputs" to fatten cattle quickly.

The various reports on the global impact of raising livestock are based on factory farming practices which are indeed damaging to the environment.

To understand how, we need to look at how livestock in the US, and in other parts of the world, is now routinely raised for food and how the messages about the "inputs" is virtually ignored by the popular and politically correct message to eat less meat. All of these "inputs," interestingly, are also required for growing the plant-based vegetarian/vegan diet being promoted as the way for us to save the plant ... but those promoting that message don't bother telling us that in their cries we must eat less meat.

Like I said, the problem isn't the meat -- it's the method used to produce the meat.

I recommend reading the entire post, including the comments. You'll see that she got hammered with responses from vegans, who do what extreme partisans always do in arguments: They shout slogans and pay no attention to any part of an argument that might suggest common ground, or at least a point at which reasonable people can disagree. It's all fire and brimstone -- if you don't agree with the environmental argument against eating meat, then you're just a murderer because you can't eat meat without killing something.

They win because they're anti-death. You lose because you're willing to acknowledge the necessity of killing something before eating it. You can support more humane ways to raise and eventually slaughter the animals, but there's really no getting around the fact that there will be blood.

Vegans, like Ron Paul supporters, seem to thrive on the unpopularity and impracticality of their positions. It's easy to be an uncompromising zealot when nobody takes you seriously enough to compromise with you. It's easy to oppose the killing of any animal for any reason when you know there's zero chance you'll wake up to find a herd of bison crapping on your earth-friendly composite flooring. It's easy to say "abolish the IRS and eliminate all entitlement programs" when you know your own grandparents won't end up living in your storage shed and raiding your medicine cabinets.

Coming up with practical solutions that people can accept and live with -- that's hard.

Wednesday blog meat

  • More food at conception = more boys conceived. Women who ate more than 2,200 calories per day were more likely to have boys; women eating less than 1,850 were more likely to have girls. On average, mothers of boys ate 130 calories more per day around the time of conception. All the usual caveats about correlation vs. causation apply -- it's an interesting finding, but by no means definitive.
  • Do stereotypes affect performance? If they do, we'll at last understand why Shaquille O'Neal can't hit free throws.

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Gold Standard = Prosperity
Most men care about prosperity, freedom, and their future.  This is why your comments about Ron Paul seem out of place...  Have you actually studied about why sound money makes a difference?  When the people hold the wealth, the people hold the power...  When you are holding a Federal Reserve Note, you are not holding wealth, you are holding an instrument of debt...  Debt is not prosperity...  You are being fooled.  Most men pride themselves on being smarter than the average used car salesman.  But you cannot identify the deception that has enslaved you for your entire life?  What a tragedy, no wonder we are in the mess we are in............
Real Men Are Libertarians

by Mikester on Apr 23, 2008 11:18 AM EDT   0 recs

Dude ...
... you just totally proved my point.

There is TRUTH, and there are LIES, and your side has a monopoly of the former, along with a unique and magical power enabling you to see the latter.

by Lou Schuler on Apr 23, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ron Paul
I'm a Ron Paul supporter because I'm willing to compromise.  I disagree with him about abortion, both from a legal and moral perspective, but I'm willing to compromise if it means shrinking the government.  Do I want to return to the gold standard?  No, and I don't want to have a fight about deflationary monetary policy of have someone recite William Jennings Bryan's cross of gold speech in my ear either, but he's absolutely right about the Fed and how its opaque and screwing all of us who don't have the means to invest in foreign assets or currency right now.  All you have to do is read the paper to see that.  As of today, $1.60US is worth 1 Euro, and the EU has been taking in former communist block nations that require heavy infrastructure building that should be tanking the Euro.  Ron Paul may not be 100% on, but he hasn't said we're gonna bomb Iran or stay in Iraq for 100 years either, nor has he promised to provide universal healthcare by giving our money to the same insurance companies who are currently screwing the system up (I'm talking about you, Senator Clinton).  

by Joe in DC on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT   0 recs

So you're not one of the extremists
But you have to admit that many of Paul's admirers and supporters are uncompromising, just like the vegans who can't let a day go by without reminding us meat-eaters of our moral inferiority.

I equate the two because I see good ideas on both sides. But once those good ideas get bundled into an all-or-nothing cosmology, there's no room for debate, discussion, and practical application. You can't study a problem and be guided by the empirical evidence you acquire, since there's only one truth and the zealots know it without having to test it.

It's like militant high-intensity training: If studies show it's effective in some circumstances, it's proof that HIT is effective in all circumstances. If research suggests it's not the best choice in other circumstances, then the research is biased and the scientists have been brainwashed by the Hypertrophic Industrial Complex.

Real life is a smorgasbord, not a prix fixe menu.

by Lou Schuler on Apr 23, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True..but
I can admit that, but the same can be true of many supporters of the Republican and Democratic party.  Ever go out drinking with people who work at the White House?  And to hear many Democrats tell it, Dick Cheney sheds his human form when he goes home at night.  

by Joe in DC on Apr 24, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thanks
it was a nice link to the other article - I read it and the comments - both informative and entertaining.

It amazes me people believe some of the stuff, though. There is plenty of 'free range' beef out there, it's not as if every inch of ground is used for grain production. Most of it will always be pasture land (ranch land) because it's incapable of being farmed, but you don't see that in any articles.

And the idea that you're not killing something because you're not eating an animal? The guy who posted the comments about harvesting and animals being killed is exactly correct. Lots get caught up in the process. But who wants to think about that when we can dumb everything down to a bumper sticker and stop thinking about it.

I probably eat more venison than any other meat. I killed it, I processed it, I eat it. It ate natural grasses fed by rainwater. I killed no other animals in the process. The last two seasons I killed my deer in a single shot in which the buck died instantly - no tracking.  
Am I saving the planet because it's incredibly efficient or destroying it because I'm a killer?

It's all so damned confusing, isn't it? I think I'll have more beer while I contemplate further.

Ron Paul - who the hell cares - he's not going to win the election, I don't have to pay attention to him nor his politics because he's not going to be featured as "plate of shit one" or "plate of shit two".

We built the strength in football!
Corn Nation!

by cornnation on Apr 23, 2008 12:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Flyers
The Flyers were playing Washington in the Stanley Cup Playoffs last night- Game seven no less- surley that is as worthy of recogniztion as Earth Day or the Primaries.

Geez you Americans have to prioritize better.

signed

Crazy Canuck!

by finecrowd on Apr 23, 2008 12:31 PM EDT   0 recs

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